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Extended leave entitlements for working parents?

Should childcare leave be extended to working parents with children aged seven years and beyond? This issue got contributors talking shortly after a parent posted a comment on the REACH discussion forum, urging for the childcare leave scheme to be extended to include children between the ages of 7 and 12 years as well.

 

Contributors who were in favour of the extension underscored the need for parents to spend more quality time with their children. A contributor felt that childcare leave should not be simply meant to enable parents to take time off their work to take care of their children when they are sick, but also to provide them the opportunity to spend more time supervising and nurturing their children during their formative years. Several contributors also acknowledged that extending childcare leave to include children in primary school would also enable parents to be more involved in their children’s development, especially during their crucial primary school years, and be present for key milestones in their young lives, such as the first day of school and regular parent-teacher meetings.

 

Others, however, felt that extending the childcare leave would be unfair to other employees who were single or who had grown-up children, since they would likely have to cover the duties of their colleagues taking childcare leave. One contributor also noted that since the first day of school for primary school children fell on the same day in all schools, enabling all parents of primary school children to take the day off may result in some companies not being able to function. Contributors also noted that this change may result in more discrimination against women in the job market, as it may prompt some employers to hire men or singles instead of women with young kids.

 

A point that contributors did agree on, was that the Government should consult the key stakeholders – employers and parents – for their views on the matter before proceeding with any review.

 

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Comments
John Ng  
12 Apr 10 , 03:02 AM

it's time the local idiots wake up their f****** idea and take a look around.. pro family policy is just plain bullshit.. this so called "pro" family policy has led to numerous pregnant women being given stupid excuses and "sacked" as companies are not willing to pay for their absence. And now they are even thinking of giving husbands leave as well? yeah.. end up, you have an extra mouth to feed and 2 unemployed parents. wonderful.. Japan's economy is world no. 2 because their work culture is almost anti family, and PRC have "DINK" (dual income no kid), what the f*** do you think Sg is? Europe? or USA? your rice bowl is about to disappear thanx to the f****** govt's policy of allowing FTs to come in easily to take over all the high value add, high paying jobs, leaving Singaporeans with nothing but bread crumbs, and you're still asking for more leave??

bear in mind this harsh fact: if the company can do without you for 3 mths, the company can do without you.



Frankie Tan  
28 Mar 10 , 14:57 PM

I think the maid levy for family with 3 more or more children should be further reduced or totally waived. With 3 children, the maid is no longer a luxury and definitely a necessity espcially with 2 working parents. This is 1 way the government can acknowledge or encourage child birth.

Also as I nlood doner, I know we have a special quue for polyclinics. How about the same arrangement for families with 2 or 3 children? It is normal for a child to fall sick a few times a year and the wait with 2 other children is stretching parents.


jm  
13 Mar 10 , 23:13 PM

I strongly hope that MCYS will look into extending the enhanced childcare leave to parents who having children from age 7-12, cos the early primary days they are still very vulnerable as they just crossed the kindergarten age and reaching to a bigger school environment and when they are sick etc, we parents still have to take leave to look after them. Even when they are 9 to 12 years old, they still needs our parents care when they are sick and they are unable to look after themselves.
I sincerely do hope MCYS and govt can implement us the childcare leave soon, so we need not take our own leave, as we only have 14 days to enjoy and not enough to spend time with them during the school holidays.
Thank you very much for hearing us out.



QQY  
26 Feb 10 , 14:02 PM

Although not a parent myself, I can emphathise with working mothers with young children. I don't think its unreasonable to grant childcare leave to mothers of children age 7 - 12 as at that age, they are still too young to care for themselves when they are sick as compared to the teens.

As long as the child is really sick and an mc can be produced in support, I don't see why the childcare leave is not a valid claim.

It would be good for the government to encourage more work-life balance policies to support the working parents.

Sometimes, its not a matter of comparing benefits between a single and married (with kids) cos there is no end to it. Afterall, during appraisal, such matters would also be taken into consideration when evaluating and comparing 2 individuals whose performance are otherwise on par.


why just parents  
26 Feb 10 , 09:58 AM

Why is it only parents can qualify for extra leave?

What about people who care for their elderly parents. Don't they have familial commitments?

The elderly is a group of people who are marginalised because they have no economic value. This is no way to treat citizens who have contributed to the success of this country.



Bluek9  
20 Feb 10 , 07:20 AM

This thread has gone off track already. Parent's leave should be renamed into a broader term to take into account people who have dependents that they also need to look after. Children, teenagers, elderly which ever is the case. Singapore has evolved and there has been many changes in the past few years. And the government need to take the lead and effect a change in overall culture. Yes, businesses are there to make money. They also need people to help them make money. Isn't it logical to give their people some trust and allow them to look after their basic need, so that they, in turn, can do their best for the company? Bottomline: Yes. Extend it to the people with children older than 7years. But don't stop there.


Teenager Parent  
13 Feb 10 , 16:58 PM

When my kids are young I spend ALL my leave on them and when not enough I had to take no pay leave. One have to be prepared to make sacrifice for your own child / children and always asking for more benefits dished out for them.

Instead of giving extended leave, parents with young children should be given a choice of taking no-pay leave (up to 5 days per child per year) instead.

This is more fair to those who are single and people like me who have teenage children and not entitled to such privilage and have to cover duty for those with young children. For your info, parents need more time with teenager than younger children.



clr  
12 Feb 10 , 09:37 AM

Be realistic. The investors and MNCs are here to make generate profits. Money is their only and only single-minded pursuit. Not to support some lofty population policies.


Andy Ang  
11 Feb 10 , 15:31 PM

I fully support childcare leave for seven and above. With greater travel, more parents and children are falling sick and passing to other children, that alone warrants parents needing extra time. Having children is not about having babies to 7 years old. The parents have to be responsible, and it is tough not only in health aspects. Parents and children need quality bonding time. I am already in fear of the educational system, and also consider home-schooling if the teach less learn more model makes me almost an equivalent of a night teacher. The government must practically consider that it is a chicken and egg story. If the environment is extremely stressful to have kids, the school system and teach less learn more model that is not proven,will the younger generations wants to give birth after reading all the postings and debates on televisions and otherwise. If the government wants families to be more productive, rest and support is needed, and also to reassess whether the teach less learn more is a suitable model. There are no ways that we could please employers and parents all at the same time. There must be sacrifices if long term needs wants to be addressed.



jimbo  
06 Feb 10 , 17:08 PM

I think it is good for parents who are responsible to be able to take leave to care for their sick children, I don't think they will abuse it... we do it now esp with good bosses, this is to help those who bosses are bad and threaten and abuse workers.. and who rule by fear of termination.. the govt initiative will allow avenue for parents to take care of their children.. only if it's not abuse.


think  
04 Feb 10 , 10:09 AM

All the favourable conditions for low birth rate are the creation of the govt. I would be surprised if the elites cannot pinpoint the exact root cause of this problem.

Do you think a piecemeal approach such as extending childcare leave will make a significant improvement?



FedUpCitizen  
30 Jan 10 , 23:15 PM

PrTeacher wrote about being in the govt. sector and having Boss who does not seems too please to let the staff go on child leave. What is happening to the Work Life balance that the govt. so oft-talk about. Looks like the govt. do not Walk The Talk how can the private sector behave then?. This is the situation with the govt that we put in place with our faith and trust. They are all just talking and implementing policies that serves to put them in good light but whether policies are carried out or not is secondary. There are many jobs in the market that goes to foreigners in the Service sector or hospitality industry that locals Singaporean can perform, but no, these must go to foreigners and locals must of certain age group must move to become Bus Drivers, Taxi Drivers, Security Guards that is the systemic planning of the govt. over the years. Now the locals Singaporeans have an awakening about the real situation when the FTs are all running around us having better life than locals and Singaporean. Even Taxi Drivers were stumped that Foreigners have no qualms about paying for the fare and where do they earn their bucks? Having well paying jobs courtesies of the govt policies at the expense of locals. Why is the govt. so pro-FTs just deceive the people who put them there to guard their interest. I had a terrible experience with a FT from China who serves at Coffee Shop and does not even understand what "Cold Barley" order means. A hot Barley was served and when corrected, he was rude and offensive to say that the correct term should be "Ice Barley" what audacity for this FT at the coffee shop. Should I get angry and quarrel over this matter with the FT? Well let the govt. answer to this and I wonder if these business owners were "forced" to employ these FTs at their outlets and failing which they would not be allowed to operate. Is this the pre-condition that the govt. made to ensure that foreigners esp. from mainland China gets hired in Singapore?. The truth Please


Teenager's Parent  
30 Jan 10 , 15:37 PM

My children are in upper primary and lower secondary school. I don't think I will be entitle to the extented leave.

No matter what is the age group of the kids, parents should be entitle to the same benefits as parents who has young kids.

Younger kids need time and attention so does older kids (ie teenager). I think teenage's parents need to spend MORE time with them and extended leave will definately help.



Just trying to get cheaper labour  
29 Jan 10 , 22:35 PM

Now 2011 don't win in election. PAP sure died one leh ! Pocket sure lose money. All their CEO jobs and adviser job sure " OUT" one.

Now sure try to give you this and that you know !

Or else they cannot get more foriegn workers into Singapore. Got to pay higher salary to you citizen leh ! OK !

Now They give money also no use liao ! Why ? Because after give ! You become jobless for another 5 years until next election leh.

Enough or not ? $300 for 5 years ????????


Got see newspaper ?  
29 Jan 10 , 22:06 PM

See ? The Singaporean woman cannot even "SCOLD" China woman in Singapore leh !

I tell you liao ! All the china woman here like QUEEN of Singapore liao !

Nowdays Sit MRT must be quiet quiet liao. Say also cannot on the HANDPHONE OK !

Singaporean really no place to stand liao !

I really pity Singaporean woman.

After marry have children. Husband find no future as so many BILLS to pay ! Go find "CHINA WOMAN" and trying to "RETIRE" in China after working in Singapore.

Divorce the Singapore woman and go marry "CHINA WOMAN". Why ?

Singapore jobs all give China people liao ! Where got for us Singaporean ? Cannot fight them due to PAP around.

We join the "CHINA" loh. Go to "CHINA RETIRE" . Cheaper ! And more future !

Why marry Singaporean woman and have more KIDS ?

Even LKY say liao. PR become Singaporean also don't want to have KIDS ! SO !

Problem is Singaporean have no "VALUE" already !



Correct it's no use  
29 Jan 10 , 21:30 PM

I prefer JAPAN ! Look at the foriegners are not allow to stay there for long term.

Unlike Singapore. Anyhow also can ! it's time to support Japan policy. We don't have so much LAND !

Ask Our MM LEE to keep his mouth shut lah !

oNLY WANT MONEY AND PROFIT. FORGET ABOUT SINGAPOREAN LIAO ?

SORRY HOR ! ELECTION I REMEMBER EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU AND GOING TO BE !!!!!!!!!!!!

I VOTE YOU OUT !


du_lan  
29 Jan 10 , 09:38 AM

Singaporeans have evolved and become smarter. They refused to be enslaved. Why talk about having babies when they received no respect and have already lost their dignity?



PrTeacher  
29 Jan 10 , 09:33 AM

As it is, my boss is not very agreeable to give us working mothers our 6 days of childcare leave without MC. It is already so difficult to even go into her office to ask her to grant us this leave although we are eligible for it.

How then will extended leave help if given beyond the age of 7? Of course we will welcome it. But will the bosses?

It is ironic that I am in the govt. sector yet the bosses are not pro-family.


FedUpCitizen  
28 Jan 10 , 21:22 PM

This sounds more like a cruel joke to me! Extended Leave for working parents? or another policy to make Singaporean less attractive to employers? Many Singaporean are out of job because of FTs and now the government want to get extended leave for working parents! Parents are looking for jobs to support their burdens in housing and all the necessities in life and family. when you don't even have job, what is extended leave, you are on extended vacation courtesies of the government who take foreigners in droves to do the job that Singaporean are able to do and have the skills to do but because of the policies of the government, singaporean are now jobless aplenty. First get your policies right and make sure that the trust and faith that the people put in you as the government must ensure that the locals singaporean are taken care of and can make a living. When policies are geared towards attracting FTs at the expense of locals singaporeans, there is no point in barking up this topic. Just Pointless. Take a walk down to the local eateries and you fine plenty of foreigners working as helpers and so on when the locals elders are out of jobs and struggling to make a living. There will be voters backlash for sure! Come election, there will be bigger vote swing against the ruling party in order to bring costs of living down, so what if your property is high in value when you have difficulties to make ends meet. Better to have your property at low value and able to make ends meet reasonably easy. The prices of many things here is high because of the high costs of the current government. Something must be done to change this!



Scary Event  
28 Jan 10 , 17:34 PM

FT PEs can always run back to their homelands if any building designed by them collapses. No accountability again. Lives are cheap again


We don't need leave. We need high pay jobs  
27 Jan 10 , 21:56 PM

Need to leave for what ? Our govt stupid huh ?

More leave. Then we get out of job faster.

Our govt is really "OUT OF DATE" liao loh.

Singaporean FIRST ? Yes ! First to retrench !!!!!!! First to get out of job !!!! First to become TAXI-driver !!!!!!! First to be security guard.

Foriegners ? IT consultant, mananger, Project manager, so many of them getting salary of $8000 to $10,000 per month.

You leh ??? So pityful ! Just look at all the construction site. OK ! Engineers, Construction mananger, etc etc ! To factory workers, etc etc. All Foriegn workers.

And see the truth ! All PR and Foriegn workers !

Our govt funding the foriegners jobs.

Our citizen to DEATH !

POOR SINGAPOREAN ! TIME TO DIED !

In malaysia, all this job $8000 to $10,000 belong to malaysian.

In Singapore. All this job $8000 to $10,000 belong to foriegner.

Why huh ? Singapore education too low ????????



thatwhy  
27 Jan 10 , 21:46 PM

That the reason why our Singapore govt is spoon-feed the foriegn workers.

See how much to pay for a "DEGREE IN CHINA" ? Cheap lah !

Singapore degree super expenisive. SO....... now any one from India and China can be a PE liao.

PAP are allow foriegners to take over your job. They started already.

Life is getting harder for Singaporean because they are letting foriegners to take over your job.

So sad. You see they get the vote or not in the next election.

LKY today not happy on TV leh ! So ????? My problem !!!!!!!!!

Who ask you to be so PRO-FORIEGN WORKERS ????


Hello. Nowdays even PE also China and India can liao  
27 Jan 10 , 21:41 PM

Hello. Got job or not ?

I tell you the truth. Singapore carry China and India too much already.

See even their degree also no problem liao. Our own degree go toliet liao.

You call that fair to Singapore.

http://www.peb.gov.sg/peb/pdf/pen09.pdf

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